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Post by Fredrich Laystone on Aug 9, 2011 12:51:44 GMT -5
How fight one and one with some one
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Post by Sir Didymous LaRoth on Aug 9, 2011 21:49:37 GMT -5
This is a bit hard to answer. I'm assuming that your looking for tips on how to duel with someone. I suggest doing a Google search for "Codex Wallerstern", or "Medieval fighting Guides". That should turn up some decent results for study out side of group time. But good Fredrich, don't for get that you will be learning more things during our practice sessions on Sundays. It might seem like you getting a slow start but, as with trees, so too with fighters. If you just shoot up the ranks, you will fall quickly, if you learn slow and well, you will become formidable.
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Post by Sir Andrew MacLir on May 6, 2013 18:02:03 GMT -5
How would you go out and fight with some one upswing a wore hammer and some one upswing two swords in a battle
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Post by Sir Didymous LaRoth on May 7, 2013 22:50:06 GMT -5
Well, that seems to be a rather unlikely match up. If memory serves (and it doesn't always), the first known mention of dual swording is in a 16th century Japanese manuscript. But if the fight were to move forward into the realm of reality we should take the type of hammer into consideration. I would say the same of the swords, but it is safe to assume that the European types that are practical for use in this manner are all fairly compatible with the same methods of use. Figuring that into account we will assume that the sword fighter would be using short to arming length one handers with cut and thrust blades.
But back to the hammer. If it is two handed and double headed, then it could be done one way, but the more common type of "hammer" that was two handed was the bec de corbin which has a back spike, a bottom spike, and a spear point on the top. That moves the fight in a slightly more realistic direction.
Even more realistic would be a one handed hammer with a back spike and shield. That was about the only way a one handed hammer would have been carried as a primary weapon. Granted it could be used hand and a half style, or as a secondary to another weapon, but that's more of a fantasy film concept. You needed the strength and control of your dominant hand to use a hammer effectively.
So I guess the answer to that question is a question. Which type of hammer are we talking about here?
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Post by Sir Andrew MacLir on May 14, 2013 19:16:32 GMT -5
The type of war hammer that I am mostly talking about is big two handed because how would you be able to use a shield. Also another thing that I would want to ask is how big two handed is what size of shield would you use
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Post by Sir Didymous LaRoth on May 14, 2013 22:46:55 GMT -5
Well Andrew, since you speak of two handers we can continue. As you know two handers are large enough to require the use of both hands and doesn't allow for the use of conventional shields. Dame Latita may wish to chime in on this subject since she has an affinity for crushing weapons including a rather imposing two handed hammer named Artemis. She is rather fond of using a wrist mounted buckler to allow for some added defense against thrusts. Dame Waislay on the other hand uses a shoulder mounted shield. This allows her to shoulder ram and recoil from a blow. Perhaps she should join in on this one too, even though she uses hers with an ax which even though it is two handed it is a different animal.
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Post by Sir Andrew MacLir on May 17, 2013 19:25:08 GMT -5
well seen we are talking about how latitta haas the kind of weapon. the type of buckle that she use's is it very big or small to were it would protect her hold body or just some of her body
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Post by Lady Latitia LaRoth on May 25, 2013 2:03:54 GMT -5
I use a too handed war hammer and I hace a buckler that is straped to my wrist but I hace a bad habit of forgetting that it is there but the really bad thing is the vonablety of you fingers
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Post by Sir Didymous LaRoth on May 27, 2013 23:48:30 GMT -5
A buckler by definition is fairly small with a diameter not much more than 15 inches. It is used more or less just to deflect thrusts and the occasional slash to the off hand. Since Latitia's is mounted to her wrist, it's use is different than the traditional. Hers serves more as a short range bashing weapon to offset the difficulty of using a polarm when rushed by the opponent.
Waislay (who is mysteriously absent from this discussion) uses her larger shoulder mounted piece more or less as something to hide behind when charged. After taking the initial shock, she is then able to use the split second opening to counter attack. Her ax is a fair deal shorter and more maneuverable in close quarters than Latitia's hammer.
Now as to the original question about dual wield using swords. If you were to take two swords into a fight, provided that they were on the shorter end of the arming sword length, you would have to stay around the medium range in terms of distance from your opponent. Now with the two handed hammer, that person would have a longer range but be a bit slower. So taking in to consideration that with two swords your defense is lessened (especially your ability to take heavy hits), you would have to stay mobile and make use of your speed.
There would be a lot of side and back shots and the person with the hammer would have to keep moving to face you. Their goal would be to slow you down or immobilize you. Leg shots would work best for that goal. However, in spite of the fact that most assume hammers are for heavy hitting, a two hander can also be used like a staff weapon. Any opponent with half a brain would do just that to increase their speed if they were unsuccessful in keeping you at bey with the length.
Depending on the skill/ experience of the fighters, it could be anyone's fight.
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